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Steve Chiavarone on US Equities: A Slow, Soul-Crushing Grind Higher

Bloomberg PodcastsMay 27, 20254 min1,622 views
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Constructive Outlook on US Equities

  • 🎯 Steve Chiavarone remains constructive on the US economy and sees a potential for a cyclical recovery.
  • 💡 Investors are advised to be overweight the U.S., with home bias being appropriate currently.
  • 📈 The outperformance of non-U.S. equities in the first half is expected to be short-lived.

Tariff Uncertainty and De-escalation

  • ⚡ The worst of the tariff uncertainty is believed to be behind us, with a de-escalation phase underway.
  • ⚠️ The president's actions on tariffs were seen as a necessary shock to the system due to market complacency.
  • 🌎 Investors outside the U.S. are noted as being shockingly under-allocated to U.S. equities, suggesting potential for future inflows.

Federal Reserve and Economic Data

  • 🧐 Chiavarone finds some of the Federal Reserve's rhetoric surprising, but expects them to cut rates this year.
  • 📉 Tariffs are seen as having a more severe impact on growth than inflation, with a slowed economy and consumer under pressure.

Investment Strategy: Buy American, Buy Tech

  • 🚀 The strategy involved adding to equities through distress, specifically in large cap growth and the 'Meg 7' companies.
  • 💰 A significant discount in the valuation of these companies presented a compelling opportunity.
  • 🌱 The second half of the year is anticipated to see small caps and cyclicals assert themselves.

Recession Risk and Labor Market

  • ⚠️ Recession views are not favored due to resilient companies not laying off workers despite tariff uncertainty and growth slowdowns.
  • 🤝 The lesson from 2020 suggests companies are hesitant to fire workers unless the labor market breaks.
  • 📊 The speaker questions the narrative of bond vigilantes driving yields up, contrasting U.S. Treasury debt issuance for stimulus with other countries' issuance for military spending.
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