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Ricardo Hausmann on Economic Complexity, Trade Wars, and Knowledge Monetization

Bloomberg PodcastsJune 12, 202544 min1,769 views
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Economic Complexity and Trade Barriers

  • πŸ’‘ The concept of economic complexity is explained using the metaphor of "monkeys and trees," where countries with more complex economies have more "monkeys" (firms) swinging between more "trees" (products and industries).
  • ⚠️ Trade barriers like tariffs are seen as "nets" or "walls" in this forest, making it harder for firms to move between industries and thus constraining a country's capacity to build complex things and generate wealth.
  • πŸ“‰ Tariffs on essential components (like steel) make it harder and more expensive for downstream industries to produce their own goods, potentially reducing their competitiveness and overall economic output.

Forms of Knowledge and Industrial Policy

  • 🧠 Knowledge exists in three forms: embodied knowledge in tools and materials, codified knowledge in recipes and formulas, and know-how in brains requiring teams of people.
  • πŸ› οΈ Trade barriers hinder access to embodied knowledge (e.g., buying eggs), forcing domestic production of components, which can be less efficient and more costly.
  • 🎯 While economic theory offers reasons for industrial policy (learning curves, coordination problems), tariffs are often not the right instrument, as they dump costs on consumers and can distort markets.
  • πŸ“ˆ Alternative industrial policies like subsidies, government procurement, or guarantees can be more effective for infant industry protection or solving chicken-and-egg problems without penalizing consumers.

Urbanization, Exports, and Mobility

  • πŸ™οΈ Industries requiring a deep pool of differentiated talent tend to locate in large cities, driving up land prices and benefiting those cities.
  • πŸ“‰ Industries that are simpler or require more land, like steel or auto manufacturing, may locate in smaller cities or regions, and their decline has negatively impacted those areas.
  • 🌍 The export base of a city is crucial; if export industries falter, it leads to a multiplier effect of job losses in local services and a decline in the city's overall economic and social health.

Knowledge Monetization and Trade Statistics

  • 🌐 Rich countries increasingly concentrate on producing knowledge and then monetize it through foreign direct investment (FDI) in other parts of the world.
  • πŸ“Š Standard accounting techniques and trade statistics often fail to capture the true value of FDI, as they rely on book values rather than market values, understating the economic contribution of knowledge-based investments.
  • πŸ“ˆ The US, for example, may appear to have a large external deficit, but this could be masked by the high rate of return on its knowledge-infused FDI, which is not fully accounted for in current metrics.

National Security and Supply Chain Diversification

  • πŸ›‘οΈ For critical sectors like semiconductors, national security concerns can justify domestic production or encouraging foreign investment (like TSMC in Arizona), even if it's not purely driven by economic efficiency.
  • 🌍 Diversified supply chains are generally preferable to autarky for managing risk; relying solely on domestic production can exacerbate risks from local disruptions like droughts or storms.
  • πŸ‡¨πŸ‡³ Concerns about China's dominance in certain supply chains highlight the need for non-China production capacity from a risk management perspective, as it represents a concentration of production in one country rather than a globally diverse supply.
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