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Mike Wilson on Fed Rates, Rolling Recovery, and US Equity Outlook

Bloomberg PodcastsNovember 3, 20258 min407 views
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The Rolling Recession and Recovery

  • πŸ’‘ The US has been in a rolling recession for approximately three years, with the private economy suffering while the government supported it.
  • ⚠️ April is identified as "capitulation day," marking the end of the government-led recession and the beginning of a rolling recovery, evidenced by changes in payroll data and job cuts.
  • 🎯 The recovery is expected to be staged, not simultaneous across all sectors, with AI and semiconductors being early beneficiaries.

Federal Reserve's Role and Interest Rates

  • πŸ“Œ The Federal Reserve is considered "way behind the curve on rates" and needs to lower them significantly to stimulate the private economy.
  • πŸ“ˆ To achieve neutrality, the Fed Funds rate should be at least 50 basis points below the 2-year Treasury yield, with a further 100+ basis points for stimulative effects.
  • πŸ“‰ Without significant Fed rate cuts, the market may remain narrow, favoring high-quality stocks.

Economic Policy and Investment

  • πŸš€ The current economic environment is characterized by policies aimed at reducing consumption and increasing investment, creating a higher velocity economy.
  • πŸ› οΈ Deregulation and capital spending, particularly in infrastructure and automation, are key drivers that can boost the economy, even without immediate Fed action.
  • πŸ’° The government is incentivizing businesses to invest, aiming to reignite growth after 15 years of underinvestment in areas like infrastructure, factories, and robotics.

Big Tech and Market Risks

  • ⚠️ A key risk to the bull market is the decelerating free cash flow growth for some large tech companies, challenging the asset-light narrative.
  • ⚑ Companies like Meta are increasingly using the debt market to fund significant capital expenditures, a shift from their previous capital return focus.
  • πŸ“Š While this increased spending can be a positive sign for economic velocity, it competes with free cash flow and could jeopardize capital return programs.

Future Economic Cycles

  • πŸ“ˆ The market is anticipating better-than-expected earnings growth for the next year, reflected in current valuations.
  • πŸ”„ Economic cycles are predicted to be hotter but shorter, moving away from 10-year expansions to a pattern of two good years followed by one weaker year.
  • πŸ’‘ Investors need to adapt to these shorter cycles and the potential for inflation to remain just below the surface in a higher velocity economy.
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