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Jim Zelter on Private Credit Opportunities in Investment Grade Assets

Bloomberg PodcastsJune 4, 20258 min2,531 views
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The Shifting Landscape of Private Capital

  • 🌍 The SuperReturn conference in Berlin highlights a significant shift from a purely private equity focus to a broader gathering of players across credit, capital, and equity markets.
  • πŸ’‘ Jim Zelter, President of Apollo Global Management, notes a revitalized enthusiasm for investing in Europe, with a substantial portion of Apollo's assets ($100 billion out of $800 billion) already based there.
  • 🀝 US investors are showing palpable interest in European markets, driven by both domestic pull and global competitiveness needs of European industry leaders.

Private Credit: Beyond Risk and Illiquidity

  • 🎯 Apollo Global Management has carved a niche in striking complex private deals with investment grade businesses, challenging the convention that private credit is inherently risky and illiquid.
  • πŸ“ˆ The firm has seen significant transactions in Europe, including deals with Intel, Vonovia, and Air France, focusing on high-grade capital solutions.
  • πŸ’° While acknowledging concerns in the non-investment grade market (levered capital structures, subordinated paper), Apollo has strategically avoided these financings.

Navigating Market Concerns and Opportunities

  • ⚠️ Zelter identifies potential red flags in specific sectors, such as over-enthusiasm in parts of health care (medical reimbursement) and the enterprise software business due to rapid technological innovation and AI.
  • πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ The US deficit has become a more prominent concern than tariffs, with market forces (bond vigilantes) waking up to the issue, overshadowing other headlines.
  • πŸ“Š Despite macro concerns, Zelter sees it as a wonderful time to be a player in credit as lenders are being paid for risk for the first time in 15 years, with real rates at 4% plus.

Investment Grade as the Primary Opportunity

  • 🌊 Private credit is described as a much broader ocean of opportunities, with Apollo focusing on the investment grade side, which constitutes three-quarters of their assets.
  • 🏦 This focus on investment grade assets, mostly at the top of the capital structure, offers a different setup with stronger underlying credit metrics compared to the non-investment grade market.
  • βœ… Apollo is leaning heavily into the investment grade segment of private capital, emphasizing its historical convention-defying approach to private markets being both safe and liquid.
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