Bob Michele on Bond Market Calm, Recession Risks, and Private Credit
Bloomberg PodcastsApril 25, 202516 min74,453 views
29 connectionsΒ·40 entities in this videoβBond Market Stability and Recession Outlook
- π‘ The bond market has calmed due to the deleveraging passing through the system, forcing out levered investors and proving false narratives about foreign selling of treasuries.
- β οΈ The bond market is signaling a potential recession for the U.S. economy, especially if current tariffs proceed with only moderate compromise.
- π Break-even inflation rates on TIPS are below 2%, indicating the market anticipates that a one-time price reset will kill demand and lead to recession.
Credit Risk and Investment Grade Opportunities
- π― Investors are advised to stick to the Treasury market and clip coupons, but good quality credit risk can still be taken.
- β Investment grade companies are expected to fare well through potential periods of increased input costs and demand destruction.
- π The majority of the high yield market is also anticipated to be fine, with default rates projected to remain manageable even in a recession.
Private Credit and Shadow Systems
- π¦ A significant concern is the growth of private credit, estimated at $2 trillion, which may not be as transparently marked to market as public markets.
- π There's a potential for a shakeout in the private credit space as institutions with expenses to pay, like pension funds and endowments, look at their portfolios.
- π While public high yield markets appear clean, the pain is expected to be felt more acutely in private credit.
Market Flows and Investor Sentiment
- π Despite talk of the end of dollar exceptionalism, significant flows from the APAC region and the Middle East have entered the U.S. bond market.
- π° There's steady flow into the bond market, particularly the municipal bond market, which is considered too cheap.
- π Official institutions and governments are not seen selling U.S. treasuries, and their buying in the one, two, and five-year parts of the curve has been strong.
Near-Term Market Outlook
- π For the next couple of months, the outlook appears to be smooth sailing, with potential to retrace sell-offs from March and April.
- π£οΈ Positive signals include the 90-day delay on tariffs, ongoing negotiations, and the Federal Reserve monitoring the labor market.
- ποΈ Corporate America is entering this period in good shape with compelling profit margins and healthy consumer balance sheets, making investment grade companies less worried.
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