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Kaj Larsen on Navy SEALs, Boko Haram, Extraordinary Rendition, and Narco-Trafficking

The Fighter and The KidMarch 6, 20191h 54min130,181 views
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From Navy SEAL to War Correspondent

  • Kaj Larsen, a former Navy SEAL with 14 years of service, guest hosts with Bryan Callen.
  • 💡 Larsen describes his transition from military service to becoming a war correspondent, trading his "gun for a camera" to fund his graduate studies at Harvard.
  • 🌍 He covered conflicts in Afghanistan, Cambodia, and Somalia, launching his career in media.

Embedded with Boko Haram

  • 🇳🇬 Larsen details his experience embedding with the Nigerian Army and later, through complex negotiations, with Boko Haram in Nigeria.
  • ⚠️ He explains Boko Haram's ideology as a terrorist group seeking to establish an Islamic caliphate in northern Nigeria, where 12 states have adopted Sharia law.
  • 💔 The conflict is exacerbated by socio-economic disparities, with the oil-rich south contrasting sharply with the impoverished north.
  • 👧 The kidnapping of the Chibok schoolgirls by Boko Haram is discussed, along with the difficult reintegration of those who returned, many having been married to fighters.

The Business of War and Rendition

  • 💰 Larsen discusses the use of private military contractors (PMCs) by governments, highlighting the lucrative nature of war and political enemy elimination.
  • ✈️ He explains his work on extraordinary rendition, a CIA practice of capturing high-value targets and transferring them to countries with looser interrogation laws.
  • 🧠 Larsen exposed one of the architects of the CIA's Rendition, Detention, and Interrogation (RDI) program, a former Air Force psychologist who personally waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed 183 times.
  • ⚖️ He reflects on the moral cost of such practices, suggesting the erosion of moral standing outweighs any intelligence gains.

Narco-Trafficking and the Market Problem

  • 📈 Larsen's recent docu-series explores narco-trafficking through an economic lens, comparing cartels to multinational corporations like Apple or Walmart.
  • 🇨🇴 He notes the shift in power from Colombian cartels to Mexican cartels, who now manage distribution and operate with a "farm to arm" methodology.
  • 🩸 The drug trade is presented as a commodities market, where legalization, taxation, and regulation are suggested as potential solutions, given the persistent demand and the failure of prohibition.
  • 🇺🇸 The immense human cost of the drug war, including tens of thousands of deaths from opioid overdoses, is contrasted with the relatively lower death toll from 9/11.

Reflections on Service and Perspective

  • 🎖️ Larsen discusses the challenges veterans face reintegrating into society, drawing parallels between the post-Vietnam generation and his own.
  • 🌍 His experiences overseas have provided him with a profound sense of perspective, gratitude, and a clearer focus on life's priorities.
  • 🧠 He advocates for embracing duality, being both a "fighter and a thinker," a "warrior and a scholar," emphasizing the importance of informed debate and ethical considerations in national security.
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